Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:38:11 -0400
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From: tyagi (Xiwangmu)
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Subject: Taoism and Magick (revisited)
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ky951011 ['s been a while; shows you how little I like off-forum email ;>]

|From: darmou (Daryl Moulder)
|Date: Tue, 13 Jun 1995 13:45:18 +1000

|On the Thelema list you wrote:-

I don't take public (elist or Usenet) posts to email presently.  Here's your
response to the list.


|> Realizing the tao, or having discovered one's 'true will' (in Thelemic
|> terms), the Sage/Master flows with the currents of Yin and Yang in a kind
|> of Conversation, and this yields Knowledge of a sort more valuable than
|> may be obtained rationally.  The intuitive sense is engaged and one enters
|> into the stream of the awakened-consciousness (in Buddhist terms).

|Is relalising the Tao finding a link to the collective uncouncious in a
|more concious way?

I think it is more along the lines of letting go of some of the conscious
approaches and learning to be attuned to the unconscious world.


|Is it being able to gain infomation about someone straight away after
|meeting with them, where does this info come from a universal conciousness
|or their aura or what?

Information is over-valued.  The kind of thing you are talking about does
enter into the picture as I see it, but not for 'information'.  Rather it
is a deep self-knowing which allows us to maneuver the sometimes confusing
byways of the world without rational support for everything we do.


|> Encountering the evil in such a manner, it immediately ceases having the
|> strict qualities of 'evil' per se.  Instead of an 'evil person', for
|> examle, the Sage perceives the confluence of energies which coincide in
|> the encounter and reacts in a manner coincident with the way of all
|> things.  Doing nothing, the Sage completes the Great Work.

|I don't quite understand this is doing nothing completing the great work,
|does doing nothing overcome evil or counteract an evil person?

See alt.philosophy.taoism, specifically wrt 'wu-wei'.


|When I visited a Tao center here in melbourne my freind told me that when
|they are thanked then they should say don't thank me thank the universe
|(paraphrasing chineese translation).
|
|Does this mean if one is not resposible for good deads, is one not
|responsible for evil deeds?

I can't respond for them, though if they are taoist religious, anything may
be possible.  As I see it, 'good' and 'evil' are relative evaluatives, not
Cosmic Assessments.


|> The reconciliation of vision with practicality occurs in the realization
|> of the tao.  This is not something easily described and there are countless
|> taoist mystical and magical texts (to say nothing of those resident within
|> other cultures/religions) that describe the means, sometimes within what
|> is called 'twilight speech' (often metaphorical and esoteric terminology).
|
|Magical texts what magical texts? where would I be able to find them?

Crowley's texts are thick in this way.  I'm surprised nobody on this elist
has composed a basic reference file for online Thelemic texts and forums.
Perhaps that is in the works, but not for me right away.  You can find some
decent references at:
http://www.portal.com/~tyagi/magi.html
Good luck.

Xiwangmu
tyagi